Last hour we just have more and more more -- -- this the country seems to -- you might be heading for. And energy here apocalypse in a lot of ways and that they have nothing to do was running a vulnerable -- to -- Everything we're trying to do just seems to be the circular firing squads. We have -- It point seven billion dollars in lost in Iraq. That the military has no critics who were it is. We had a bone billions of dollars. Of oil leases being elect in Iraq. They're going to seven different foreign countries none of them which is less. We're planning more and more restrictions on the oil industry here in the United States. Well I'm looking at the Washington Post article says for your suspense -- border oil drilling. While all other nations move ahead with -- bears because this year is an opportunity. Together more of the energy market. And I've done many many shows -- Yes we should go to win yes sure we should go to so yes we should go to nuclear yes we should go to natural gas and every one. Has good reason not to go do that. Sure this article caught my the other day article by now Alex that student who is really I think -- -- -- -- and I asked him to give us government it's -- talk about some of his own thoughts on three major myths. That he feels where we don't brilliant says that think military appreciates governor Alicia. Glad to be -- first of all my favorite book of all time as atlas shrugged it's it's my little ballot bowl. A broad all real -- and I hate to admit it but I never have figured out. Is it and brand -- and ran Ian brand. Arm -- ion rhyme or mine. Okay I'm paying like one too much and -- finally -- up for all these years thank -- for that right. It took me about the three major myths that I read that correctly do understand that Britain. Yet you -- more than three minutes but there are three big ones and they all. The underlying -- -- this idea that America is addicted. To oil that oil is somehow. That famous heroine instead of -- that has this gives us this short term jolt of pleasure but in the long run. It's really self destruct. And in my view oil -- in fact indispensable tour life. And it and it's so there're issues associated with that -- need to be addressed it's an incredible incredible positive. And should be viewed as such so underlying this idea that we should be that oil as an addition or republic three minutes. About oil so. -- take the first from the minute you don't have any question about. Yeah I I do a wounded of -- you tell -- where the missing here because I'm one of those that considers. That we're addicted. What for a little bit different reasons I think we're addicted because of a lack of education. And what I call uneducated hypocrisy. We we think go. The quote petroleum is the guessing goes in -- tanks and jet fuel than it's ever. Where the most important part of it is -- go to my website over a thousand. Products that or petroleum products. That we don't understand -- petroleum products and if we decided this is nasty filthy stuff and we don't go with don't want to do it anymore. There's virtually no replacement for things like. Plastics computers. Watches cars telephoned refrigerators or are we addicted because we need to petroleum products even if tomorrow. Nikola Tesla came back in and had a new widget. That solved our automobile. And plane problems and chip problem transportation. Problems. Wouldn't we still need all the patrol and we can get for our lifestyle and. Well you you're gonna it's worth noting that even if you get that they're being issued amount of time. Time and effort and money necessary to convert to those good things and in the mean time. We would desperately need petroleum. Four power for portable power purposes. But you're absolutely right about petroleum products and this is one of the areas of oil's value that's that's neglected some sitting in my office right now I just. Look around -- do that sometimes than actually had. There's a run off a list of things that are made of petroleum. The screen on my computer monitor by computer monitor the coding of my desk that allows until last. Allow longer the particle board at my desk is made of the insulation on the walls. The paint on the -- the income my -- and -- polyester amount clothing and a microfiber on the this seat in my nerves and the care that I'm sitting in the trash can the trash bag. -- -- think about all the value that we get in life so much of that is. We have the right kind of material to do the right kind of function. That's made possible by petroleum having this incredible versatility where can be used to. He basically any form and performed basically any function. I -- to communications through commercials yesterday which are considered the first real. Effective communication by the in energy industry. On exactly -- talking about is Occidental Petroleum. And it showed two different and even Jews young man young woman having their lives come apart. As they lose their petroleum products in one room was pretty funny at the end the woman loses her breast implants. It is Google would do you think the American -- American people. Understand that or more importantly want to understand. I mean are at the orient pictures in this too I certainly am what what commercial Internet ever heard of -- Oxy Occidental Petroleum and their terrific they're turn -- commercials. -- I think you can Google over XY. Commercials I think Israel of magnolia new troops -- returned -- do you think two questions. Do you think the average American. Knows this and more importantly. If you told them do you think -- buy it or would they even be increase. Well I think that our whole education. Used to not to valued not just oil but all of industrial facilities. But the -- civilization not to realize that no although put what people view it he's grinding meat smokestacks. And old dirty coal field and one out. The case is built up an entire. Civilization that runs an enormous enormous amount of manmade power -- that enables us to do. And to do things that we could never do it just remodeled. And we draught animals and that's why her life expectancy is over two times what it was split they 150 years ago so. Petroleum products are one part of that big puzzle that were not taught to understand we're not taught to value. We're -- to take for granted and you mentioned atlas shrugged before purple or talk to take for granted. Is the individual the creative human mind the heart of the elements of nature. And create all of this power we've taken for granted what were willing to do. Is deprive him of what they need to created -- and they're free and we see that happening were left and right on the golf work. People don't recognize that the freedom to drill to explore. To distribute petroleum essential blood. Let me take a break your -- -- is there would no longer. Sheriff so let's talk about number true that a broad -- the things you consider moved curbing consumption of foreign oil butch help stop. Terrorism coming right back we're talking -- -- it's mean. -- in -- that super individual rights group. What they're just just please be it -- have played a restaurant I've done. We show up and get 5050 chance always seem to -- broke my apologies -- touched and -- -- -- through individual rights. You've written a number of articles that they've called my and a couple of them dealing with -- major myths that the lot of those -- We just got through one of the ruling backs up to the multiplicity. Of shows and I've done over the last. Year. Trying to say -- audience that we think we've pretty big -- around the country. Especially on our web site. That the American people just not or or or educated. That's what petroleum dogs we always. Connected with the -- -- -- jet fuel and other things and we don't connected to the things god or our lifestyle. And that's one of the sports let's go to move to number two. Curbing consumption of foreign oil would help stop terrorism. -- -- -- Yes that that I think it -- print it that's one of those -- that sounds. A little plausible if you think about it if you don't think about it and if you do think about it. It becomes pretty. Bizarre to the eighteen hit village just that the situation here I mean we had September 11 this is -- One of the worst thing that ever happened in American history. And that who's perpetrated. They're not just by a couple of terrorists but by a broader movement that actively today seeks the destruction of the US and is funded by. Some major regimes around the world most notably I would say Iran. And the policy wonks it's alleged solution to this is to blame the product -- wish they happen to make. A lot of money but what if it was a different product would do what we do then and it would. Is it someone has me if you haven't enemy that poses a direct threat to U. Is your solution to stop using the product that they produce or is it to do something directly to them. To harm them to make them stop so let's say. But that we cut off half of our oil use what would happen. Well I think we know a number of different thinking maybe the price of oil would go down slightly Iran would have slightly less money. Is that in a stopper terrorism problem. Obviously not so this is an up until connected to the book atlas shrugged one that seemed to that construction that book. Is how. We should be self interest it and a long range and rational sense and I wish to reject the idea of self sacrifice this is this self sacrificial solution -- Here's a problem what America should do it should give up its lifeblood should give up its best source of energy. No we shouldn't give it up we should inflict the pain on Iran. So let's say we wanted to do something with oil one thing we could do it. If the whole world would agree could cut Iran off the oil market not caught ourselves up to a market but if we can't do that can we have to directly address that regime and that would mean. The kind of welfare or those who went to -- Afghanistan Iraq that would mean a real war. Like the war we wish against the Japanese in the US is capable of doing that if that's necessary. Right to limitless let me fine tune my thoughts -- this a little bit more because I'm the one. One of them is that it said you know okay. A bond a foreign or don't mind dollar -- too many of the regimes that use the dollar. To by the AK 47 of the land mine to kill. Our boys and girls so we ought to use less of the board watchers say news. Even if they have less of there's still buying their AK 47 in the landmarks. -- -- September 11 position usually usually. Expensive. Attack -- -- so true because commercial. Impact now. There's a whole there's a lot to say about the fact that so much of this oil is owned by. These hostile government and this is something that I don't think should be the case and I actually have a history course and oil that they change that's available free. Online what you can give people link to where I explain the history of how old -- oil change we Nationalists and how in fact. If the US and the Europeans had the proper policy of this -- it would still be in the hands of the private companies. They've discovered and developed it so there's no reason in the world wide agreement kings sour mood should have access to all of these -- is based simply stole -- and the weakness of the west. And the west ideas that enabled that. The incidents such -- I'm just on Twitter so it's pretty easy twitter.com slash -- Epstein I'll post it. I'll post of course after the show for now want to check out. Good good all right Melissa didn't do a little trouble here and number three. Because the burning or produces fuel to oil is a deadly pollutants that must be severely -- in replaced by green energy sources. -- Yeah I mean the fact that oil has looked so let's stipulate. That no oil caught in oil causes it's just part of causing more -- of both say the interpreter and a global warming has. Some validity to it. -- by itself proves nothing. Because of oil is in what happens. -- -- people don't look at as they look at these allegedly horrible consequences of the earth warming you know to Greer tourists three. But what they don't look at is the crew probably horrific consequences of depriving ourselves. Of our most practical portable form of energy and as you mentioned before the energy that is the basis of all of these petroleum products he can't hold something that's essential. The life. He pollutants. Now of people wanna develop better sources. -- believe they should oil itself originally an alternative energy and alternative to whale oil. And some other things. But what is criminal is to in the name of caring about human life. Destroy. The source of energy that is most vital and most difficult to substitute. And human life so I again people are free to develop what they want the children UN meat from consuming oil in the name of the earth warming. Couple degrees human beings can adapt to anything. Just about anything if we're free. But if we're not free if we have cap and trade and and future legislation prohibiting us from using oil prohibiting distributing the vast amount of oil that we use today. Then worst stock and and that's another agreement that was -- without freedom. -- the human mind cannot function -- can't create and that's what leads to destruction. Not changes and temperature. Let me ask you another question that you may not -- you'd be willing to answer -- not may not be your answer is it's sounds like your bureau highly personal and all the things we're talking about. When we talk about funding terrorism and you pointed out and I think rightfully so a lot of people don't think about it doesn't take a lot of money. To do the things that could causes the most stomach -- most people by now under similar dirty bomb is -- and -- a lot of people but psychologically. It can -- small areas -- important areas where the -- French Quarter New Orleans from Wall Street. You operable -- about half life about a 20000 your -- of two per 101000 -- -- this had been proven over and over again very easy with a -- C four in certain sort show Barbara mediums to build a dirty -- put in a backpack carried into the United States. And I've had nuclear experts on the show because I didn't really believe that -- -- -- -- -- a nuclear. Briefcase but they say they really are. Shouldn't why do you think. That if were under this attack -- more fighting minimum two wars over it. That the terrorists haven't walked across the border in terrorized a loss in two. Financial. Paralysis. -- one of those two devices. Well. I have a bit of expertise -- this some I'm one of the picturing orchestra new book called winning the unwinnable war which is all about. What's the cause of the terrorist threat and and how to. -- how to address that. So one aspect of this is I think when you when you referred to quell such terrorists that -- from the George W. Bush used that an expression you like geez I really dislike. The expression. Because it makes it -- that the system puncher renegade band it's who happened to have this evil desire. When Alex I apologize -- erupting good break for news and I think there's some important question you may have some response. When you would be first because most expert so I've talked to have understood what something I've never considered or her. Yes we've done a lot of thinking and I think tank about that and we don't know -- can you hold you for a few more minutes I. All right Alex upside and in all in rock and a Center for Individual Rights command right back. Our guest says considered a divorced couple more minutes I would -- try and -- in -- super individual rights were were talking about some tuners. Oftentimes been fascination remind let me ask the question -- -- way it did before so you can get into their preliminary. Response to do the word terrorism. Of my question was. Terrorists would seem to be able to build a dirty bomb which is very simple or eighty -- execution nuclear bomb which -- experts on the show say actually is build the bull and is reality. And simply walked to -- our border why hasn't that happened. -- first thing about terrorists. It is there's this common view and and George W. Bush as one of the main perpetrators of this Barack Obama certainly -- -- -- that terrorists are not. -- agents and that they're not part of some. Type of Islamic ideology they're primarily just these isolated evil doers and -- or true. Then they would just you know be blowing up school buses left and right and just completely Kara. That's not how works people don't just give away their lives. For not. They give away for two things. Two major things that's wanted to hope. That there's some cause. That they hope will succeed and that they even think is giving their life -- -- so that -- the cause in their case. I'd like to call Islamic totalitarianism. Their ideal. Of in his Islam ruled world in which everyone is subject to what they think is the rule. Of all so that. Almost like giving your life for your country. Yeah exactly and so they're fighting. A war but in so far is that clause ceases to exist -- people stop fighting to work so. For instance he's got people around the world fighting and even dying for communism but they don't do anymore. Because it's not a viable cause so part of it is. Two whole Islamic totalitarian caught hadn't risen to the level yet. Where people are gonna spontaneously give their lives. -- the other aspect it's very underrated. Is that terrorism. Is from the beginning modern terrorism it is -- created phenomenon one of the pioneers of that. Was Nasser of Egypt in the 1950s and there was. -- specific goal with using terrorist. Was that they could perpetrate atrocities and harmed the west. And then blame it on the terrorist and so whether or not it's the terrorists we don't we did like them just about as much as you do and as complete. I'm -- -- that simply take within the Palestinian terrorist consider. -- look at those people are bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and they were bankrolled. By Iraq so though the lesson of all this and I really recommend the book winning the unwinnable war but the less animal of this is that. It's an ideological speech sponsored movements so we need to do is attack and dismantle heard some wasted due to. The states that sponsor. And therefore destroy any hope that the cause as a success and our safety so far. It that they are not as hopeful. And that Steve turf or somewhat afraid of sponsoring them compared to what they otherwise would be but if we don't do what you think it's gonna get -- worse. Is is it to. Just have ridiculous thought at this point in time management uses this -- do you believe virtual evolved maybe into a little bit different animal. -- board part of could be good China Saudi Arabia -- even Russia. Heads a lot of money invested in this place and that by. Doing something -- get dirty bomb or a suitcase she nuclear. I would not bring the country down it would makers so called enemy uses as a symbol. Putting money under the mattress. In destroying the economy therefore. Book is that part of it if they're controlling the so called terrorist if they're really state agents. And they're controlled by quote the Islamic state. Is that part of the argument that the at this important time that you themselves and put. Yet it's but I mean I can only -- -- and -- you'd really have to examine the motives and and the calculations. -- -- regime and unfortunately our CIA has an atrocious record of doing anything relevant. About just about anything related to real. Enemies and and they definitely hold the -- there's just a bunch of isolated evildoers but they get a lot of their views from. You know foreign and to help from agencies from foreign intelligence agency into places like serious and it's the whole thing is just very hard to figure out all of the specific -- But we can tell on the index since we know it he says that it's very possible to perpetrate this. Such an attack there's some lack of hope and there's some lack of speech trying and that's not something. We can on the future and 9/11 assured that we can't count on -- before nine elevenths. We had twenty plus years as of this kind of terrorist attack on a smaller scale. And eight years before 9/11 people could've said oh there's no terrorist attack on American soil since the World Trade Center in 1993. That shouldn't have given us assurance Spanish and give us assurance not. -- so I appreciate the extra time in the year are scheduled time we give us and thank you so much I'll be buying your book club winning the unwinnable war. All right thank you so sure they'll drive Epsilon. I and brand should report individual rights would take a break and -- I can over the lines. What -- we want to talk about and I think we're pretty introducing the first hour. Taking a look at these point seven billion dollars. Of Iraqi oil money that we were in charge of gold. Disappeared. And an expert group foreign policy expert that I have on the support you you really don't understand. Of the military. -- the -- which. -- we kind of shouldn't expect him to. What do you think you're secure wanted somebody to secure -- seven to -- anywhere in the country at 866. It is nine zeroing seventy. All right look at the budget veto from Orange we have a number you can talk about was more -- -- think it'll scoot to. Moon. So we're not ready and I'm -- right no constitutional. Let me go back to tell -- what we're talking about in the first tomorrow we had. Defense Department. Got an -- from the federal government. As it turns out they have lost. As an overseas it point seven billion dollars of Iraqi oil points. They -- there -- what happened to Bennett was earmarked to rebuild. New some of the to rebuild. So Halladay. Expert in foreign policy on permanent kidney institute. And he mentioned your -- -- have 53 billion of her own money. That's being disseminated in -- set a -- -- fact of the matter is. Military has to do things like buy a civilians all for protection make sure they don't need -- militants and putting -- land mines and that kind of thing. You do have to sure up. Certain government in to these are people that controlled region would money. Give to make fast payments on -- infrastructure things and there's. Really no way to two run track. And I found that just perplexing. Because I feel you know nothing is certain in the world but I feel fairly certain about. If you tell me you're gonna give me point seven billion. Under any circumcision -- they put me down in Sumatra where there's not much government in -- more. Which you gotta tell me where you send the money. I just can't guarantee you can do I really did. Her you pray never heard a good but those things -- CPAs. Accountants. There's software. There's iphones that literally of software. And I think you use I don't -- down to B fifty Cindy's. I think I can do it but apparently. -- we should agree to believe. Understand and live weren't. Is where -- soon to billions of dollars. Well these two wars now we're just about ten trillion dollars Obama -- money. And here's an expert in foreign policy saying. The military relieved and have the ability to attract and so it's nothing new. If -- Order. Form the government ordered to Afghanistan today you're really couldn't tell more much much in the money more. And then you read things like the the latest on oil leases have been sold in a rock. Have gone to seven different foreign country none which were it's been read in Afghanistan they had discovered one of these largest. There were news of mineral notes that are important to the world standard of living. In Afghanistan. In their -- when mining it is shot and we're not. So are you comfortable that did does that. Said make any since the U. -- you would talk about Charlie Brenda. The world yen and then one other thing. I'm not going to think I only wanna end I know -- know with nothing that the credit the Colonia myth like at the question mark behind that statement okay I would never do that I wouldn't put it how. What about people that -- -- the -- -- frame -- options on the radio this morning and that the kids look Obama in the odd man Arnold took it to twelve opened them. But what their publication opium and looked him in the and complain about all the lost the job you know and the exact economy north because the month moratorium. And he said that perhaps well I have to get a lot of -- empathetic by the can take my constituents in the event that the country. And I don't know if he and it's that which you didn't say that that she did he didn't say anything -- if you had been on the radio. But I'm wondering why I'm maybe she can't help it plug in into him back and they -- the pole day. That I think it's definitely picked offense they made a -- all over the country -- that but -- -- -- Favor lifting the Monaco I -- Well probably to issues like me -- wouldn't -- that poll and in mud every everything yeah yeah we have every. About quote found -- every detail of everything -- -- in the written to read. Do the liberal side -- views. Club. The -- don't. Oh really what they're really more and is assassination. Of oil drilling. All over the country. So. 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I don't into -- -- -- -- to worry is depleting resources well we don't seem to understand it is. Other China and then Leo or growing at warp speed as they do they or demanding huge amounts of energy the energy is there. But they're demanding that so this -- stays the same. The demand goes way up. Did its non depleted it's still there but the demand goes whip him when he does. Prices go way up in India. In China has enough wearable ball in their financial capabilities. To subsidize large parts of the we don't. Four dollars a gallon you remember what that did to our economy you'll remember that feared that struck. The hearts of the suburbanites. That's where I think the thirty years is the a melt there wouldn't be paying for resource not the depletion. Well. You're you're absolutely correct on all which you can land -- The reason I had a structured and -- -- -- a gallon joke another lest we started on what the president says. Alternative energy trying to you know would look we had to do -- convert. That we don't. There's -- -- laboratory org we're very of the comes as familiar term on the show nobody is more and braver than alternative energy than someone to get as much as I can use quicken weekend. But there's just you cannot show me how 4%. In the 220 year period. -- while we're doing now. Is going to be any more than ten or 12%. And that still leaves. But -- my math isn't that good but about 90% 88%. Of coal and natural gas and oil. And end even know oh shale oil from Canada we -- we don't like it but that's what would go. And that's what we don't seem to understand come and read back a whole -- nothing would you and me we're gonna open up their life.