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11-14 3:10pm Spud talks w/WWL listeners about non lethal force

Nov 14, 2012|

Spud asks WWL listeners, would you rather be tased or pepper sprayed?

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I am I. -- -- -- -- -- -- At a press conference here at the present -- president's first broke out. It's certainly -- heard from since his election that was last week so we carried that. Covered a lot of topics including the fiscal cliff and in Gaza who oppose them and that upon tomorrow. A Garland by the way will be a two lane tomorrow with -- and their fourth annual bipartisan policy center summit. -- be there with mum Mary Matalin and James Carville and a bunch of other political. Think fellows so by Paulson bipartisan policy is under fourth annual political summer and be on the ballot government in transition. That's open to the public is free -- two lanes lemon burn -- Now beyond Garland tomorrow from ten to 1 PM. And I think you'll still actually no he won't be given only things cigarettes because there out of town but I'll be given away Ellis shoot tickets tomorrow on my show because. Is the last home game to them -- all cancels so stay tuned to martyr and sports show on our Kansas -- are they played Ole miss. Arkansas' their final game and that's up in Arkansas the day after Thanksgiving. OK but I'll be given way up terrible mistake it's that was your mistake it's in Death Valley tomorrow and -- a special so stay tuned for that aren't. Again we -- that would listen to coach Joseph -- we listen to our Drew Brees that press conferences that we threw open some stuff in the in the India opinion poll -- opinion poll. Now -- WW on the country the sewage and water -- B -- up. -- more engineers than bureaucrats 96% of you saying yes. 4% of saying no and again the mayor is revamping the whole system and they -- more than just changing the board out mom. You know policy. They're looking to a point and the new appointments got to be nominated by university presidents all these though lucrative contracts to got to go through competitive process before they get awarded. -- waterborne when and to provide public 'cause status reports. Regularly ain't about all the operations and capital projects which I don't even a white got to change and I think a lot of this stuff can be changed like that snap your fingers boom -- Chapman. You know. I mean build a website. They got people would do that every day. So there's no I mean the changing of the board -- this stuff everything you're proposing gonna need to change -- do -- already. All written and frankly just -- get ourselves the -- and they admitted the reason they're doing this stuff is because they gonna have a rate hike. As -- the trying to rebuild. Your trust. Because you're going to be foot the bill for most of then Darren has. -- besides fixing the city's underground pipes the money would also go to renovating its rewards boards ailing power plant officials have said well. Then you need an electrical engineer. In the electrical engineer on that board who can bring his expertise in there. For that for that upgrade type -- -- I mean they're gonna look and they hire people to do the actual physical studies. You know but they should do it. They should not to be explaining it to anybody on the board based there should be somebody on that board. Who already has a working knowledge and an understanding about the electrical problems that they have. And and when they when they bring and then hire somebody actually physically do although the plan a drop plans to show it to him he's already speaking their language. Same thing would with ripping up the streets. You know and and and and replacing leaking pipes I mean they've got some of that stuff down to a system but they need somebody who what -- -- -- -- out there -- -- thick stuff. So when they show -- to make those those are comments. And speak to the sewers or -- there's somebody there on the board already who's speaking the language. I mean I asked for a community. Activists and that accounts consumer advocate that's that's the mayor's gig. What better consumer advocate and community activist is there than the mayor the city who sits as president of the Susan Warner board. Then -- anymore that I do agree with the two members of liquidation born and I do agree with the public health expert -- the city has a public health person. So should they be on the border bring in another one I don't know. Because water is incredibly important like they had to boil water. Are warning not to longer going to come to find out that -- -- really need to it to put that out there so to have somebody more hands on about Bobo the safety of Warner. I can see that one but everybody else on that board. Everybody else on that board should have a working knowledge of the the streets. Ground hydrology. The electricity. And necessary all the sciences they go in to. A sewer system and the streets above them and the ground that there in -- that's who should be on the board. And they should be there because number one they have and have people like that meant for for decades in the -- correct. It's been kicked the can has been kicked down -- for ever and applaud him I applaud him for trying to stop and do and make the major changes that are necessary. He does not like he's got an option. But if you're gonna put if you really need to turn all this stuff around you looking to two. To rebuild the people's trust because your fix and smacked a big rate -- rate increase on them. Then you need somebody who literally understands all the stuff he does not to be explained to. -- you know I'm sorry but I don't think you need -- consumer advocate on their Europe consumer advocate I don't think you need a lawyer on the board because you're a lawyer. And the sewage and water board and the city itself employs lawyers. As they do CPAs. Liquidation board is big time bond money that I agree with but the rest of -- should be scientists. 26 only 7866889. At 087 is I told front. Somebody sent a text message. Why do you need one person digging in ten people standing around looking. As somebody responded back because only one digger can fit in the hole then you can alternate diggers as they get tired. I was on. -- always -- they had people replace -- may 1000 ditch digger. You know get get NN polling get to dig and I don't see why it takes ten album and how many you know how small are ending. How small some of those holes are right now. The chief of police chief -- surpass new -- crime increase slowed down. And they under the DOJ's a consent decree on looking at this the story here and -- -- on channel four who did discuss that -- NO PD used pepper spray for -- users. Concerning sounded drowned in a PD to drop use of pepper spray. For chasers as concerning a lot of people there vote. The plan for them to do that to do away with pepper spray and go to the taser is is. Mainly concerning a lot of people because they can't figure out here is is one person an attorney. Raymond -- hard he he's an attorney for the FOP I can't imagine why over any given situation only thing you wanna be abuse is lectures he vs a mild irritant. To the allies Burkhardt questioned the logic behind the decision is group is now asking the federal judge reviewing their consent decree to consider scrapping that part of the plan. The fact is quote the fact is there are certain situations where you cannot use that -- taser or ECD as it's sometimes known. Any time we're delivering electricity into a person's body it can affect the heart in a negative way. And I'm talking to people that I know personally here who have been down this road. They've been both Hayes and pepper sprayed. And she is and as far as extra wins -- and -- she. Has been pepper spray and taser she prefers the tasting because once they stop that's -- it's over with. But joints in your 50s like I am new young and full of greens Nelson's vote a you know. -- Yeah I don't think I would. I have been I have been next to pepper spray I've never been sprayed myself. But I have been next to pepper spray and it is irritating a soccer -- in a full blast in my face would be pretty nasty. Asked for the the other time being ten -- no but I was a boy. And no in the country with electric fence and we'll just leave and attack. So I don't know which I would prefer maybe just stay out of trouble but frankly I think both of them are tools and it's it's it's. They're both nonlethal tools but I think if you're gonna get leave if you got a bad case has muscle like that in the pepper spray but who's gonna. But an elderly person or somebody who's had some kind of heart surgery. I don't know I don't think they should drop either one of them they have -- -- they're both better than getting hit in the head what do sticker get shot. But frankly I think both of -- tools and they should they should keep both some amend their arsenals and and use them. Sparingly but when that's. -- well let's ask the question. Go one on top there you want to pepper spray you want the tapes. Don't tase me bro or no but in a cloud over -- On the living in Orlando -- The bathroom while. 26786688. Runs early seventies are over. Those things turn upon the no luck gonna come home we'll talk. Back on those bugs show began 7800 every now all through 60187. And number 866 inning and that's early seven had overrun by the way -- -- the day. No only kids and called us a third or else there -- only fifteen bucks an affordable store for kids. Everything from clothing accessories just -- and infants -- CR means. You'll find the perfect gift to bring home for your going -- Nolan kids in the French Quarter personal answer right now in my norms perks dot com today at seven. You won't have a choice so hornets basketball game New Orleans at the Houston Rockets. We'll have all the actual play by play men Sean Kelly and color analyst Don John -- razor. And at 7 o'clock it'll be on the flagship station of the -- one of five point three WW LFM at 7 PM in the big 870. It's 870 AM is less miles show. So all kinds of sports stuff going on -- -- About a way he and do Bobby and -- The race in Orange is on which team has the best chance of poised in the Lombardi trophy in the superdome. Are have you regained hope for the saints had a German lose it. So they go that's all gone on to see them later on coming up weird for Clark Bobby indexing a stay tuned for that. Two things in the pot one is not ready opinion polls of the social waterboarding -- more engineers and bureaucrats. 97 of percent of your saying yes and again though the revamping of the of the board Shirley is applauded. The bottom line is rate hikes are common. Nothing else to be said about it one of the things they're doing to restore trust in in the popular so there is revamping the board. Is this revamped the one you're looking for I think they need more engineers. I think they need more engineers I don't think you need another lawyer none against lawyers just don't need another one don't -- -- CPA to say these guys CPI's. The sewers and -- -- got accountants don't need all that. Don't need a consumer advocate that's the mayor's -- second thing in a -- talking about the police are talking about dropping. Pepper spray altogether and using a taser Allison who works over here. I'm taking a two word there Alison because you are just a nice person so I'll take it that you were accidentally taste. And her comment was once they turn the -- or off that's it it's dark. If you on a week aren't. But if you have as many disparate to face with pepper spray and day guess what. So which would you rather be -- sprayed. They're dropping pepper spray because of the consent decree do you think they should keep it dropped a taser so they think you should keep both of them. Should the police keep both thumb because they both nonlethal tools. His one used paint ball -- Oil area well. Someone else's writing in May see if views may she can still fight. That's true. That's very true you might beat you you know in your mind and be able see too well. But you can still flail your arms about whereas if you're being tase today and you -- arm. Frankly it should have no muscle control although I see I see stories about people who get ten days to. And I don't know -- is the Israel story the person on the PCP but. There are people who fight the taser people who were able to yank the the wires out. You know. I don't know man maybe we need at Star Trek stun gun. Dislike me that's that one little pulse. And that's at four to six only 7866889. At. 087 is -- told reminding 78 ceremony is where you consider Texas were regularly also I've never been I have been accidentally. I've been next to somebody who got paid spray and -- when the police officers couple guys grew from around. I never I never been what can I say -- never been sprayed. Or taste but again I was the stupid boy with friends who had to. Electric fences for their cattle so we'll just leave it go at that Hank is an all us would say -- thousand gone. I you don't -- it. Well I was a little bit younger I would out you know drink -- her all around in the upload each but the bottom up and we had to get in a there were true bucks and it has -- tired and -- but it may need it on my ballot and that was more embarrassed than an actual rent. So I've been known group behavior ever sent. Yeah. I know exactly what -- frankly I've never been days in the boom system that to me so here's my level of embarrassment to a slow. The US but I mean. Let me ask you mean you're you're pretty soccer do you think you deserve neither one of Murray should decide. -- Could pull it. That power to stop them wanted to stop it stop and they -- and they didn't and it was in that incident are grouped. Okay well out of can I never I never thought about that but I would imagine it does -- it read it. It takes away. Your ability to control your muscles. And I tell you what. Everybody every officer that you see carrying a taser has been taste that's part that's part of the training and I had to go through. There and component store won't cut. My iron -- -- a testament today. Yeah so but I mean what do you think so you that you -- Take guilty to taser over the spring. Erika RI that's as interest thing you've been down that path it and it had an adverse effect would you still prefer that. Barack are correct and it blew up. Yeah that that helped. Well. See somebody sit in the text message your pepper spray works on a crowd when necessary. Taser only works on one and at times Obama -- I need both. -- somebody and that group of print I don't know Ronald. -- -- -- At a moment and thank kids you can't put it any better than that preceded the call her and Hank. -- -- -- -- -- Thousand city park UB next on camera right now Shane -- got a stack emissions gunnery -- would be back and mourn -- -- -- -- -- these two things and -- Here in the big 878. On this -- RBIs seventy WWL 26 -- seven is on number 8787 stories and it takes a bunch of those two of direct your phone calls well. Two things that -- The revamping of the sewage and water board and the police dropping pepper spray in favor of exclusively news and -- It. Is important to go out and everybody -- this to me and I. Okay I'm great. Beautiful out there yeah. And we need to have on that there are you Marta board did like an eleven board had no political appointee they need to be technocrats. Engineers people who know there. -- -- -- We've had a fiasco we read like a hurricane Katrina and we need people who can really can't talk Turkey with people and explain. Why they need seeing increases and you know what -- black. And then people will believe what's going on rather than just Kevin Cash. No not being people are renowned authority Marta board a lot of ending near the UN that would -- adopt like that. Am I agree to lend me but -- more civil engineer could mean -- -- engineer that work and that ball brother didn't know what they would do and coming we need to get people only know really know what they're doing. And then that pain being -- I'll never actually paid I haven't got but like when you plug an apology can't call or the need. You got anything. That would be in -- What are your body more than that I don't think anybody with a brain want to because it's. True but it that's like somebody said you know it wants if you're sprayed and it's gonna take awhile for that to go away once they turn the taser off. Then stopped and bought on the other end if there around -- -- attention. You know -- I don't know I don't prefer neither one of them but I guess I under the shot -- hit in the head -- a stick. Why -- -- and -- and wanna be. Approached with -- and even you know neither nor RB Wednesday -- about the whole point I had my druthers I mean I don't think that. The good intention. I had no it would have a kind of way a police and need that could do an angry person. That do what you have to do without him and kill them around. And well unfortunately sometimes it gets to that point and then congress of the courts but yeah I wouldn't you know and that I would I would prefer. I guess I'd take -- -- like the guys that took you know I don't I don't know I hope whatever I have to answer first and I appreciate it Carol thanks for the call 26 I want examining. 8668890. -- semi told the Orion I am a -- is a more text messages. I am a comp and I have had both I would much rather the taser than pepper spray. And that the two people that that have talked to one caller and one friend who works here both of said the same thing once you get -- it's done. Spot when the -- ride is over it's over no lasting effects like the spray the spray is useful to incapacitate. Over and longer duration and helps more. -- -- -- the rest of their messages. The military has interesting nonlethal methods including the phone gloom that solidifies and prevents movement. And a microwave. Or -- that does no physical damage but make you feel like you're still ends sizzling I guess. I've heard about them microwave thing I haven't heard about the lagoon but that was going to be like something when it I mean they have these. They have a bunch of non lethal things they have build the Lou the net thing that they fire out of college Americana on our shoulder held. Air cannon. That continued down. I mean look at all the other technology they come up with you know they have the -- spikes to stop close speeding car and you are runaway car. So I'm -- they have a lot of tools at their disposal I I don't know why. The consent decree is is there following the consent decree and getting rid of one of them anything I would assume has been an issue somebody. A pepper spray or a two days. Iraq and you got me I don't know let's go back to -- phones Donny is a mentoring I know and downy. You have no deadline Tom look at both thought. How -- and just. Just fantasizing about getting -- used in sprayed you know. Well built around a spray and that they would just praise -- like to get accomplished all. Mean he got you and so that's battery and. -- -- -- -- -- Yeah well you can't do that and get that out and out. The pepper -- seem to stay which along -- like 4045. Minutes to end. That stayed out that the full one night and he got me -- first time course I was influenced. By alcohol. And I told him as a that's how you got it he gave me get in right after the second time it is typical war. And everything was called static after that -- deactivated -- over that despray. I mean should date is because they are losing me and. You know you gotta have every defense against the -- -- that acted stupid or like he says some I don't PCP in. And -- doing -- -- -- stuff like they do get out now my name meaning guys based off -- They wanna kill person right it is one of control. -- some -- enemy attacks people have died by taser no one's died from pepper spray nobody's I'm from pepper spray that I know but guess people have died from being -- but it has been like. Multiple multiple tastings and. You know what happened with that is the influence what they're on and who knows. You know you in the wrong place around -- the concept that protect the public in an. All pepper sprayed I mean you -- act the -- BM public. Number one -- Scott protect itself. Any that the people eat out there. That call did -- did -- -- I was that beautiful you know. I don't get what you might not I am I got to step away but when we come back come on a related story comes like it's some of the conference protect themselves against our good friends of mine who said. You know it is the cops should fight this story is generally to install Oregon California. And a pretty much -- the -- the cops who left the dog fighting them. I mean they ended up standard put the dogs on the had to shoot the dogs and the prize and my friends going for the dog she's -- that you should let the dog Bynum went. I don't think so now I'm not a I'll pass on -- tell you I'll tell that story when we get back what I mean that's. More you know more recent use nonlethal stuff you know I think -- -- bad because maybe whoever you two to 670 mourners were stripped of his big examining every don't know. Back displeasure over -- family WW 260 winning seventy as the number 866 -- it's nearly seven -- -- -- For money sent a text message people have died from pepper spray. People I've read -- no one dies by pepper spray. Here's -- when people have died by pepper spray check Wikipedia some pulled it out and I got to read through here. To see how many it is and I'm back on the air slow. Will consider. I'll have to look it up I have I have it here but oh -- look conceive somebody's actually died from. From being sprayed us about your phone calls Chris is a New Orleans later on Chris. Are you fine thanks for Tony what you think nobody thinks about his died from pepper spray. Oh yeah absolutely. The respiratory affection they go along with a pepper spray you people do they have. It got a -- You are these people who were. Already. You know. What do you call it could be compromise yeah -- and your average healthy Joseph blow out there and a quarter is not gonna die from pepper sprayed. But somebody who has -- respiratory problem already. Right just like with the Braves third there's like applying the 0001%. Chance that if you -- our problem. Especially dependent on where the -- achieving. They pick it up. The eight current profit your heart there's like a 11. -- about first adult Gina. I remember years and years ago when they first came out those little hand held ones you know before they came out on the damn good that -- such -- and they were issued I think I think it was New York City this was and this is a couple of decades ago. But they were issued those and they had arrest is somebody. Who was given a bunch of grief and they zapped him a whole bunch of times and several times in the chest right over his heart and he died. You know I mean I think that's why they took those hand held -- away from. Well they're two different they're they're supposed to be two different things when you're actually apply it to someone that's pain compliance amounts -- direct car. All we used a strong. That gives you that neuromuscular. Eruption and there's no pain no offense here but what they you just keep control your muscles. Allison was their pain control was -- pain with when you got zapped with the with a two prongs. -- yes. I guess not that much -- although basically you were incapacitated. More than anything else -- it hurt like excruciatingly. It didn't hurt that much it was just it was just in capacities and OK I got to -- I don't know I would rather I'd just soon I just soon not myself quite frankly. But but really what you look at that as what do you want the police department to carry. And that different the main difference between the two -- going to be the accountability of the apartment itself. What betrays her every time you shoot it in a report camera footage you have to replace the partridge. So your super -- note that you used the planes are. -- the pepper spray you can spray that -- any -- you want nobody ever knows that she sprayed it you can abuse. What that is there there's more accountability. Why can't you can't shoot the -- or -- suppose you need. I mean is a one shot deal -- that. You can run more then why and how it. Through it once you've already shot someone and they are all -- Fraser's bit scary to cartridges and yeah. You're gonna have to replace -- -- I have to go to call somebody out deployed partly. So. There accountability on the back and other. I gotcha. I gotcha. And I mean they have to do you would you would think I mean they have to fill out paperwork for everything and they would have to fill out paperwork for -- those the use of pepper spray. But how much they used to with the thing with the tea -- -- -- -- okay. Not only that there's. There's no real way to know that they use the pepper spray and taser -- Robert and I know that if she used pepper spray and you don't ever tell anybody nobody ever. Mean. Here's the most enemy attack some pepper spray instructor sprayed over a thousand -- no problems. Even asthma patients never had to use -- yet mark Menard and then looked at for a 61 people died between 1990 and 1995. That's just the figures they gave me I don't know what's happened since 95 but that many people have died -- from pepper spray use so. -- it at him. Certainly. A nonlethal thing a punch in the face is technically posting nonlethal the bouncers outside of the club whose smooth. Given virtually. That party -- Several years ago. -- -- It's an awkward. Maybe just like no other phone call a big city had a bowel problems for example and maybe just should not the full. Anyway I'm Chris I appreciate all the and its opponent was fun I was going to run homer trafficker for the incident and -- DiMarco forget I'm gonna be given away Ellison tickets just look at a -- when you hear the tell us by phone for the eight ball. You'll win tickets for Saturday -- LSU Ole miss game. I think Bobby Baker come and break the -- -- the best chance for hoisting the Lombardi trophy in the dome. That's coming up next in tomorrow's fourth Barbara -- indeed. 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