Destroying strode to do well and Christmas week. But I what remind you end media that a lot of the -- were going to be easing of weaker brought to us by honeybees. Believe -- money being native being use all the pollen editors responsible for one out of every three bites of food we eat. Bees pollinate 7100. Crops would make of 90% of the world's food supply. A reading from a New York Times a full page article poll page and and the title is these can't wait five more years neither can we what they're talking about. Or pesticides. Bureau apparently thinks. They're killing abuse. Some researchers showed that even the whole leveled some of these pesticides and Arab -- bill wood to the learn by the way -- -- collect food. Produce new queens. And to mount an effective immune response this week -- last week or other. -- countries are imposing between your restriction on the use of several of the chemicals. Used on our pollutes. Put stuff in the meantime. V -- says the United States is stalling. -- EPA estimates it will be 2018. Five years from now for making a decision. On these pesticides. Better understand this situation we always talk to -- experts. Where -- -- media director. Pesticide action network Paul welcome to the show. And vacuum and then drove several ma -- Louisiana big Cuban association American honey producers associate. Your appreciated calling -- Jordan I don't realize you had. Such a large organization. I happened again. Sumner communications think you guys were meeting in Baton Rouge a bit larger organization or you know and. Yeah yeah. Look at the convention this year. If you. On. Beekeepers are obvious commercial in the state are on. But a part of that organization. All right Paul let me start with you and and correct me on these pronunciation it's. A seed overall pesticides a lot of people a lot of pictures left scientists are concerned about -- -- nick could to Nordson is that correct. All right -- -- in -- within a set of their precludes an immediate blueprints. That's correct that it. These -- particular. In just the past week European environmental officials of their food safety agency. Have released. Finding me on an independent researcher at Japan and that suggests there. Impacts on -- development in in human so we have already seen. Quite a bit of evidence of harm QB's. Dig deeper and in the same way and now we're seeing. Unfortunately similar findings. And humans. And you mentioned the Japanese study but this. There's also the European Commission Sandra and. That's right so that they. They Japanese steady triggered it deeper analysis by -- -- these key agencies to sort of the equivalent of the Environmental Protection Agency in this country. And what that upon based on that studies. The agency decided to dig into it they looked at -- from. I'm all crop. Europe called in data from different countries examined it and then look at that this -- From Japan and have been on those findings they rate -- pretty serious flack about. How would it impacts. Might be on learning and memory from the east pesticides in in human beings to that that's been news. -- to quit in this. In the conversation about these new -- additionally the department of so called academic pesticides -- org meant to be committed to offer New York are the pesticides used across the country. Love the -- -- becomes always learn something and this time is no different. Just found out I didn't and you probably have this state inside the officials say it and say it is on the beat. Mentor we're talking about today and the reason we are. With -- all the breeding do on a play the -- of subjects continually grown into. What's called CCD colony collapse disorder. Concerning honeybees. This you one of your articles a group last night since 2006. North American migratory beekeepers have seen an annual 30% to 90%. Loss in their colonies. Non migratory beekeepers. Noted an annual loss of over 50%. -- more losses reported in Canada as well as several countries in Europe Asia central and South America. Here to talk about this we have a couple of experts -- -- today and Paul towers muted rector pesticide action network. NGOs -- Roma Louisiana beekeepers association joke. Have you guys seen evidence of colony collapse. Yes. We. That ultimately keep the beekeepers in this statement are much. Natural. All -- and they have a round this year -- dictate fortunate that they are quite a bit and and to keep present migrate. Our opinion. But more because because there are allowed more in other parts of the country as well. And well what if I'm appalled that they. They collect. But what troubles crops were spraying pesticides. And just so important. To our food supply and -- -- news. Very important. Very to be hurt by record speak polish and then we will go beyond that through because. There's just think that. -- all need to make other. Other crops. Well as. For example put knowledge and -- in the pronounced. About sort things the solar home they can have more fertile ground so that they really well beyond that but. But it seemed to say that and so bite into. Required by. By honeybees. Paul towers. -- muted director's cut supplies action network. Wouldn't talk to WP when you talk to people. That say okay we're seeing the colony collapses we can do something and at least initial studies point to pesticides. What they say we're we're gonna look at a -- the five years and one. -- -- -- the unfortunate thing Environmental Protection Agency cheaply and as well US Department of Agriculture. As I said they are five years away from finishing an evaluation. These -- that means taking action means finishing the valuation that might be some time. Afterwards at which they choose to take action. And there's -- in part because they rely. Almost wholly online. Information are -- up from manufacturer subtly that our current system that happened that. We. The sort of agencies themselves it's very difficult and they aren't willing to take information from independent. Scientists and examine that -- wheat for. -- that needed to be emitted by the manufacturers and so unfortunately the product that gets a bit hamstrung by. By the manufacturers to delay and delay and delay. And that doesn't allow them these agencies -- finished there valuation what impact might be an and that leaves. Are these are its system and so many other benefits which has talked about in in -- and that's why. You know we've really -- in our partner farmers beekeeper groups across the country are really been pushing. He he would say it enough is enough we need to finish -- and valuations that we can take the right steps. -- -- -- Joseph look but don't leave forever and -- from wrong number one would put some. Meat on the bones water and saying your -- -- The document owners I'll watch a show bee keepers with the huge eighteen wheelers. Trucking -- all over the country you know like policy as beekeepers. Where apple growers sort of broccoli growers whatever column. And and they go in and bring them. It is that the way it works and do we still have enough to do. That is the way it works where and we are also commercial beekeepers and we. Only crops. We've only a couple blueberry. Cranberry and Alvin didn't each each home will go to -- times so. It's been able to go into the different crops at different times. In areas where our. On Bartlett or it will be collecting Helmand. They're going to be also ensure again this year. And that it continues. And they won't give. He's so it's very importantly. On the -- hope so we can. It's important crops also -- they're you know I was urbanization increases. But more the culture -- -- I'm more -- as well. Me. In the old days a farmer with. Different. Types of crops they want to grow -- all corn or -- Elements -- would grow on a block of broccoli blocked it is -- and an -- all the haters those oil will be able to pollinate. I'm not in innovating EP. Now although I think that they do today because because each of these things where were booming at different times have been inundating their. Sort of all racial for the people. They were able Angela. But now that we are. Problem -- conceptual ancient also other additions increased coalition is also increasing. Paul helping with the image -- a level it's at I always thought. All of these gigantic clouds over two trillion -- going from South America the -- back important pollinating. Everything in sight now my image of Bob -- in a box in the eighteen we will bring -- to do is is is mine former image what did you use to be. And if it is can we sustain. Does this. It would what seems like an art of official transporting. Pollen haters. I think your former and it works well for -- butterflies the first -- he's now unfortunately the mountain. -- system that Joseph talked about it we had this. You know a good mixer sound leaders on -- and an official. -- cannot upon acres that that pollinated crops that rhetoric or cultural landscape -- assault and -- environment. And we have relied on commercial beekeepers for a long time and come out -- Aqua culture to help the and support and bolster. You know large. -- -- -- And we you know unless we totally revolutionize. The way we -- now well we can't stop relying on. A commercial beekeepers. For that important work -- dale they think that's. That's where we are right now in terms of sustaining it no it's -- numbers in trajectory of the losses continues. We can't sustain it manager Joseph would be the first to tell you that is that. You know that he had decent beekeepers along with them -- dying breed it. And we -- Are able to. To support these right now which importing piece from other countries screens from other countries are able to -- keep that business going but it won't last long in numbers since. Acres that are needed for a pollination -- acres -- in California alone. Mixed with. The number he's needed I just can't can't be sustained and so at some point. -- will be unable to keep supporting him for what our needs are for moments to blueberries cranberries and Apple's. All of those things it did you know and I think love our in our -- especially this. I'm the year our families are put in jeopardy by the decline. Do -- or something called CCD. Colony collapse disorder. And reverse the -- be news if I don't think that's important is full -- do in New York Times there's some but the second. Hundred years later -- is all the pollen haters are responsible for one out of every three bites of food we eat. Bees pollinate 71 of one crops that make up 9% in the world food supply. To give us a better understanding of -- if -- drew several months Louisiana beekeepers association poll hours. This new director pesticides action network. -- when it says in this bat. A native bees and all of their pollen haters what the other Apollo and haters and and can they take over for the big news. That's a really good question. That he honey -- is really. Then it until two BE when he that in those decisions agricultural pollen meters. In the United States across the world. The other on leaders there we rely on for keeping many or other things out and the world wide and try and you know including. Which could help unnoticed upon later in birds have other beneficial insect that. -- to help Kyrie. In -- sort of make sure that our pants. Are able to reproduce produce. The types of things you like to eat but honey bees have become the most efficient and effective -- -- In the agricultural landscape right now and that's why we rely on them singly so much for many of the foods that we like TD. -- resale or we read it. Good bees pollinate XW one of the 100 crops and make a 90% of the world's food supplies. I warned you -- that number two if you've been true. Can we have or she food supply without any issues. No cannot have our food supply without -- easily could be. Declined significantly. On go up -- remember our population is increasing as well. I don't want to elaborate a little more. Aren't aren't on the other. I'm pollinated seeing probably the -- has always been the more efficient -- -- -- and will largely. That is because of the volume of -- he's progressed. There's 62000. Being -- -- but probably only has canceled pretty part of -- a global industrial can't compete against the -- nest. So because of that they know how India's oldest in the social policy. The Little -- the other wants to -- this supplement could. All of this the for Oregon compute. Both of you agree with the head that says one out of every three by its boom we eat. From Britain's bees pollinate 7100. Crops that make a 90%. Of the world some boots blog Joe's Joseph just said no we can't have brought food supply without. Duties. And when Utah at the EPA. And and you deliver that message and they say. You know -- -- -- for five more year structural dude in it if you think programs out of five more years. Do they just not believe. That honey bees or responsible. For the majority abrupt roots of. Well I think -- and the unfortunate thing is that the EPA gets. Caught up in I'm really some. Some political infighting and a lot of that pushed back from as you might guess that the manufacturers that these very products that are concerned. So whether that companies like to -- bear or. Contingent. The two of the largest manufacturers of some of these products that are of concern. And that's where we're working. That. Slowed to take action these companies are saying you know I don't. Don't do anything there's not enough evidence that -- that Europe before Europe took -- -- thing in this country and that's really what's delaying the process there's. Plenty of independent scientific evidence sort of pick the -- of the evidence is there. And you know fortunately -- even with EPA's own design that internally I think there's no evidence to call for action. Egypt he built -- to do -- and that's you know kind of the nature. Agencies and bureaucracy and that works. Well and in many cases but in the case of needing to take action to protect kids to protect these are food system. It just doesn't work. -- can be -- -- -- I got a wild idea. Presumably comes to me and say look we get a problem. These -- are dying and without him you can have your proved that I think I'm bureaucracy goes away. They are very intrusive joke. The -- -- -- it's a very large. Industry to go against. You know you know we still need pesticides we have to code that's what. It is a large industry with a lot of money and they -- -- to pesticides they also. Also makes the medicine that we -- what they -- you know that's in people pretty much say that it's important to make sure. So not a hard thing to compete against. When we come back -- talk about just that both the viewer mentioned bear. The German chemical giant. And they say if you go to the web site and Google their name. They had done anything to do with the pesticides has everything to do with the Mike and -- reading programs shows -- album. Full page -- -- New York Times -- some of the second. Basically saying -- or dying by the truckloads. All over the world. Nobody is absolutely sure why but it's a big big problem. I found the flip side of course in anything you Poland on the Internet to suspect. But it was and they abused website induces. Of the quotes his doctor Albert unsigned set. If the -- disappeared from the surface of the your men would have no more than four years to lip. No more these normal pollen nation nor more men like us that got cut from the unit and pitched through. But we have a couple of experts who help -- Melinda -- between the -- than the untrue Paul -- Needed director pesticide action Edwards drove several -- the -- beekeepers association. All of your big curable cook company bearer and a couple of others. So reluctant these are not dying from the pesticides that they may. They're dying for more money. -- what are your thoughts. This is often. There. That strategy that now corporations. Take -- they're twenty divert attention from problem we stop it with that big tobacco companies many years ago it now with. These chemical companies around and pesticides can manufacture. There's no doubt that other factors. At play a role in the decline put it that comic tradition super forage for east and making sure. That we. Diseases and packed these might. But the reality is to declines if you look at the numbers and the amount -- decline the increase in the last few decades. That it needs substantial drop the problem we see now as a result of patent -- to huddle in the equation they are capitalizing. All of these other factors leading -- -- -- that that that the important thing to understand is that. They are both killing indeed outright but they're playing is really important and to. Ruled that the environmental protection agency's been slowed to address which they -- Fundamentally weakening -- and making them very adaptable to all these other factors and that's why it's. We're seeing more and more dramatic decline. Joseph. And I don't read in particular numbers. But. How close to disaster are always getting ego. All week getting a fairly good number on the abuse them or dying and and consequently. -- your leapt from what kind of time period were talking about it. Well. Beekeepers have -- have been able to recover their numbers consistent caustic war. And that more of a challenge but the problem is. One industries are growing as the agricultural. We need to grow as well so -- We're just. Chris say maintaining numbers too politically and when you cook the best numbers you can see it. Rising -- a little bit did slip that lies so. Work with a closer -- -- trying to maintain a beekeepers are a resilient and they are. Crafting ways of trying to recover from a -- problem. But I by no means were without growing and it just continue to look -- sort of battle the current so. We definitely look ecosystem. I'm glad that he got a -- They -- able to quote might as well because we. Beatable it's particularly -- on what it is being brought up now has been the reason that they're dying at this stage you know that the. -- quickly a question from one of our listeners. Can rule and -- be used to pollinate crops -- to drone the. The Kobe isn't there will be an. All right function is to. -- with the queen to make make -- they do not. Fatal to the -- Know little to regret the fact of matter that. But these are defeated -- he's. -- poll. Georgia said that the beekeepers. Have been able to increase their colonies not enough for. Or approved food production but propane. -- and world. Don't to maintain the numbers. Oh yeah by by keeping them from dying in other words you're doing something that. Keep some numbers from. Getting collapse right in my understanding correctly. Well our our normal practice it is is having a loss. You know -- fortunately we would have a small law school into the winter. And that we would have waited -- nation divided increasing. Our numbers -- this sort constantly made a global back report that's just Joseph will be keeping practices because there. But these losses we've we've been trying to amplify that. And it's costing more to. -- operate could do that. Appalled. Here in Louisiana we're losing something called -- items and whenever the experts that I talked to about it there's -- -- -- of those keeps going where it is. There are all going to be gone and took two years. Well most people are making groceries and but working. Fund their college education for their children. And try and take a vacation once a year. Fifty years means nothing to them. Could part of the lack of action on board the EPA and in this country believe this is something that's. Projected decades from now becoming a major problem. Yeah I think -- You know lack of put pressure could be the -- free eat based. Slow response I would see -- that. Before too concerned Americans has grown especially in you know at that. That is similar action in Europe and I think as. People see that beekeepers are struggling -- that there are fewer and fewer -- to go around. That our food system side is in jeopardy. I think that does point this'll make it louder and really pushed. The Environmental Protection Agency. To take action they think it's really just a matter of time you know it will -- more -- no doubt. And down with itself. It will propel. I have to -- action. Hum. What are her listeners rights. There's wonderful documentary and Netflix. Called vanishing of the -- have you seen that he would that be something people go watch over the holidays veterans' day in the problem. Certainly there's a few great films out there are that -- -- slightly different take -- issue looks quantities. I'm big into the issue and actually -- viewing guide to go along those films. On our web site Honeybee even dot org. As good as it some sort of good point discussion -- to -- You know if you wanted to attempt to talk about what you learn in what even you could do in Europe community around on peace. I feel predicted that that web site -- even dot war and feel free to watch themselves finishing piece queen of assignment. A few others out there. All the enjoy -- you're giving Newser a total Lowell will -- Falwell on the -- were later they hopefully would patrolmen. In the meantime have great holidays Christmas -- whatever maybe it. -- -- -- Thank our ability to. Beverage can -- -- one looks like a tremendous water campers to attract experts on wetlands laws from the problem. From all over the world will talk to experts -- more like portions will be wise I'm New Orleans. -- -- be obligated 70 AM and five -- Rea.