Are welcome back we're think about interview with senator Rand Paul and talking. Potential presidential candidate to on the conservative side in the coming elections. In an interview and he talked about possibly cutting government and -- on mothers who have multiple. Children and and basically says. Maybe -- me enough -- enough and you shouldn't be having kids after certain. -- tip of figures just tune so you put it in the about it collected in the Census Bureau figures. And third point 9% of them was led by a single mom living in poverty in 2012. That compares to. Six point 3%. And sixteen point 4%. When compared to marry couples it's six point three. And then was the bars and others fixing reports. That suggest that the single mothers. Or having a harder time and then and audio -- that would be. Blunt a tube could look on that you know good and so like Chinese news. Two children to have one child -- But. Did the usual Google anyway as and lower level liking -- -- congress something called -- It's in place in nineteen states. And what does that presidential -- opens the children conceived and born. While their mothers -- receiving public assessments. So that seems like a bit this -- or it being on veterans day and it. We call Bryce Covert who think Leah -- summertime. -- economic policy -- a report in Prague where it's dark or it's. Thank you welcome to the -- appreciated stock. Yeah so. This is in place -- I didn't read -- wrong. You didn't mind that there are number eight that they'll trap and cap -- pitched basically. -- not give -- any actual welfare and that -- Additional children. In most states they do in states they calculate tenant at number of people living in your am but there -- -- and community block that. Although it or pointing out that in 1990s ever originally 238. And note that the integrity about Eckstein. And there are many states are now working on on doing that -- I think it's fair to say. Aren't they are trying to move away from being. -- every really does not borne out that that has it that that would. -- -- -- and check it out they were you get back in 1998 and the idea that it would reduce welfare rolls. By. And I think women -- not anymore children when they -- Relying on welfare and that. That government accountability are at an airport in 2001 and they just could not include other not as. Any impact on the birth rate but what we do know it is it lead to greater property for family. Huge impact on children to -- -- property experience many more health and health problems. And in some cases -- pretty -- at the limit on that lead to higher rate. It can really big impact and the financial well being -- while their physical well being. So while we don't call at all either. Lowering birth rate is that it's happening at least severe and point. Until we have a gutting things -- and -- the stronger looked up Massachusetts. No discernible effect since they've brought in the yeah. Family camp Virginia 15%. Decline in Arizona 6% decline. Mississippi 45%. Compliant in New Jersey. Where the apparently kept have been picked since 1993. It's fallen to 15%. Do you think the disparate. Results. Like -- said most of and don't seem to be. Shoring much improved that are all boosted dude to present images of could be Lowell in excess of -- shall have been the -- of 45%. One of the challenges here is and that is. GAO report basically that it that it art in -- what exactly each. It influencing people can have children spent a lot of -- that they'll and I can all understand that when -- and have a child. It is very personal engine a lot of impact. I'm a hard for people to figure out whether or not tapping and it is really going to. But it dish well one thing we do now is that people who are on. Look at that and you know the that welfare or and or other things -- action. I'm really backed and we really don't look any different then those who don't plan about it. At the same average and -- Across the country and those -- don't -- Senator and what's -- average size. Do you know what they average sizes. I believe it it is I have to look it up at three point seven people to the -- number about where people. I'll -- to give and it can't go be -- single mom country kids. Comes around that I've. Come we -- put out an -- state happy Catholic California and other working under at the outage. Stanley that women into the welfare. Similarly. -- number of children at that you don't even upstairs and play and I'm not seeing really any difference at all. Help me I wish the that don't mass student in the acted never raised my hand how to get -- reports seven children Hubble was wounded. Flatten it out you're taking many different and many different. And averaging an ally and a EO and number -- Were punished and human. A -- like at that point that telling at that -- there around four and each. You a little bit lower mean you know I think this comment -- action and he's people -- Relax while there they have really normal and cat which we didn't imply you know immediate single mom. For a kid that -- in about what they're currently out there does and it varies but the average. It looked like yours. Attitude parent and duplicate their one mom and -- to children. -- -- realistic Cooper's break when we come back Erica. Here in this conservative conservative conservative Louisiana and style to whatever I would I would choose. It appears to somebody industry in particular conservatives and so what do you think of the really good idea and then Tuesday but boy if that would convince women to -- -- -- -- -- -- Well I said -- from when we come back. Governor bill bigger celebrity they have won five -- We're thinking about something good senator Rand Paul was quoted to drew in interviews. Potential presidential candidate for the Republicans. Senator from Kentucky. And basically say they're totally on board of mothers having too many children and he should quote. Maybe you quickly enough is enough and should not be having it after answer the -- And I thought amounts of good luck with that that's never happened but -- prayer when -- are doing little was -- -- and out of India in 1997. Congress passed -- leak capped. I'm not true was -- me -- states. It was initially in nineteen states. Looks like it may have gone to run 23 but a lot of states. According to the experts we probably have prompted. Because it's just not effective Massachusetts. New pictures city. Arrow zone of Byrd -- the wounds. The true in the affected all rolled out of at least small drops. And welfare birth Mississippi had tremendous for imported by -- percent. Or whatever experts. That's probably true because there -- overpayment were very very low and spurs. We have on another expert -- so Bryce Covert economic policy editor. Fourth in progress dot org price. That this really surprise me. A -- that states can successfully. That can successfully bribe them. Honorable wedlock births without increasing abortions. And win as much as 25. Million dollars a year in an illegitimate this -- bonus. Created in the welfare of federal world war is that true. Can you repeat day at a and then. -- -- -- contest. It's out of wedlock birth rates if they go to them and abortions do not inquiries. The states can win 25 million dollars a year in this part of the federal welfare wall. And acted last year which would have been 1996. When the red -- into official is doing everything. They can to scrambled to win the money. Well I don't. But at that provision. Welfare system in 1996. While their form which changed it. Very -- -- programs do what we call. Program which means that it at a government. It states a certain amount of money -- they have a lot lately that I can do it and it doesn't surprise that there would be sort. A federal and prevention try and create certain outcomes with welfare money without an elite telling them how to do it. And that's where we actually seal and cap come from you know state had a lot of latitude with other and it -- out their program. And year ended up and and decided -- and the -- try and that it. -- rate among people who are on welfare security. But Adam saying in the early and a lot of that reverse course and being that they -- and -- impact. On birth rate may be -- big impact on -- people go further and poverty a lot of them are working on and doing. For the states that did implemented did abortion -- score. I got that data but it but it is important to talk about reproductive health care that we're talking about -- it. One thing that low income mothers. Particularly could use more action contraception and am planning on their study that look out whether I. I'm promoting marriage for her mother's. And others. Went on and he sort that financial them actually found that it into and out a lot of them. Single mother Mary and -- in -- On his third of them and that the court later on actually elite women. Worse off financially. And the one that did remain married and how they're able relationships that actually didn't really bring a huge there. But that any sign that what women could really is Stanley planning which would allow them. You better play and their children have been number that they want -- on them and to be able to plan financially or them. We know that there are huge economic barriers accepting and to achieve equal health insurance usually afford it. Have to go to the doctor via subscription -- it at all costs money that we expect that the -- action we would probably see it in action. Out we the reduction in abortion and abortion actually going down access to contraception at entry and women. Be able about it and credential. Reuters I appreciate the time bear remote you have gray Dave thank you for calling. -- ticket would come and re back. Of an appeal brigades of the AM 053 of them don't among welcome -- -- to be -- word possibility of 20000 dollars and.