Number bug conservative friends have been tell me Garland you got to. Do they're sure in the think tank. Concerning the Internet corporation for -- names and numbers they call that I can. It's one that -- signs are domain name and web addresses. For the -- overall Internet. The end of the story. So much the media have been repeating. Is that -- the United States is getting ready to give his way. There's going to be -- very bad thing China Russia and North Korea won't use it to suppress dissent used it to. Minimizing information on the Internet. And read do both the liberal. Huffington Post. And they say actually it's if it's not is not going to be a problem could be an opportunity. So it was always we go to via routes that are understand that where Michael Bloomberg boom that flies president public knowledge Michael welcome the short Pritchard call. Thanks so much rather than what the public. Should. We are non profit here in Washington were consumer advocates the organization and we advocate on behalf of the public. Both care and technology policy issues for public interest for technology problem. Liberal conservative. Or non. He would be the article and look dude Walter Jones. Russia China and other governments Howard -- -- types. Have already begun work redesigning the Internet more to their liking that now they won't have a big lead. And and power back to new -- caused by Americans unilateral. Retreat. Your thoughts. Well I think is that it's. Lying for people to worry about some of the steps that that's some of those countries -- -- on the Internet it's certainly raised a lot of red flags. I don't know that this decision related to -- and as a direct influence on either way there I think it's important they be separate out those those issues instead of on demand yet. And it's own men have been a broad said the who's. Basically. A sought to. The foreign countries. Or several votes. Over the and as say surreal and you pretty stored in that and. Well we in the media I think that for awhile now there's been a relationship between the US -- Specifically the department of commerce and I can. And it's bitter relationship that is appeared to be a theory fairly hands off relationship. And I think that if you are looking at that relationship and you have the that period this secret connection between the department of commerce and I can't ban. Maybe you'd you'd -- it could figure out and maybe you have foreign government. It and things okay well the secret relationship that surface between the Commerce Department and I can will finally be severed. Will be happier about that but I don't know that it. Maybe a direct response to that so much as it's been having been long overdue and people -- opportunity defiantly. Sever that -- that. What was a bit long overdue it's sort of what 1998. Yeah I mean this is something it's really important to keep icann's role in perspective I can't incredibly important -- -- is large via. Bureaucratic -- you're here with job is that. Make sure that only one person had and the domain name you go to web site acknowledged dot org it's only are that own it. And so it's not necessarily something that have a lot of control over what's happening on the Internet. I blew a collective -- again because quite frankly I was. I was aware of acronym and I had a basic understanding what it did but I looked -- up -- -- that are better on standard. There -- only controversy. I've been able fine. And there was a better -- all over the -- they wanted to boost the revenues. And there was thing good about expanding may -- but the tax days and the pounding chairwoman. Of icon I can't. Talking about the ruling pushing them by Ken Reitz said. In the -- and this is her quote in the end. She said yeah I'd rather -- Aureus -- to people. Who want my money then CR -- and controlled by entities who won my silence. And that seems to go would be news to report from the conservative side that said. As he did general Washington used its control over -- to block in the kind of censorship. In this gives it hell -- probably would. Yes I think that it's probably right now -- he oversees the US government's relationship could control the -- and I think that's probably what. Where you're getting a little lack of concern for some people about going odd. And there's also a little bit open question as to what comes next now like the US government. He is walking away the process and now like it's gonna happen tomorrow -- -- the contract with the Wada to appoint a team and with the US government is that it. -- he at the time between now and bad to figure out a real multi stakeholder. Way of governing and they went to Tom -- that they would not talk about turning it over to another government. -- already been talking about turning it over to another combination of government what we needed them multi stakeholder governance model a model that brings. -- users and companies and governments as well as well together to make sure that this functions correctly. And I don't know that that's necessarily. Very different from the way I -- has been operating on the ground for the last decade or so. Or -- do when we come back let me ask -- -- -- board material about the user group adjustment. And her war. -- decks if you just joined is worth thinking about I can Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. On the Internet and that more -- Doesn't sound very exciting I can be and and the corporation -- names and numbers. At sea -- corporation that maintains our domain name and web addresses for the Internet. And realign its aids has been the big controller. Of this I've been through the Commerce Department. There have been a lot of ink for -- over the last couple weeks at this idea of of giving waived his but the -- -- Jong Ohio. Is gonna allow other countries that would do such to. Put a blanket over dissent. And and restrict Internet traffic. What Michael Bloomberg with the vice president of public knowledge to talk about that. Michael. If if I -- is is big nuclear a bureaucratic. Corporations. That shows. Doing. Come on board of keeping these domain name's -- -- dresses. Well why. One number one or are we giving it away and so why what what's the purpose. Giving this to somebody -- so mother and -- Sure I think in the icann and the relationship between Ike and and that's Commerce Department United States government. Has been a target for critics -- the United States. First -- -- and I suspect that on balance the Department of Commerce came -- conclusion that. They were getting a lot of pain for their buck if they were gonna get criticized for having control over the Internet. It probably wish they actually had hoped for ethernet and since they were not exercising a lot of control over I can't. It was probably easier to formally sever that relationship. Then to be productive for two deep people it's hard to say though especially people who were critical of the US government and have a is on the I think you're -- have been debated criticized directly and so our perspective at the end of the day it was Japan there's that would. It's easier to sever its relationship that -- keep it and keep early to that they aren't actually using Gary. And that is to explain again to user group that it might go to. That that's one of the challenges I think it's a challenge that actually means a lot broader that I can. Because while the year with certainly born here in the United States and run a lot of principles or core to the United States. Citizens of the United States it's an international network. And so there are large number of Internet governance and Internet all at the questions. Is that. We will all the needs to find a way to resolve which everyone all over the world. And so the I can step now is to say OK -- and what do we do. -- -- The government you have to be very clear they're not in -- and other government at night handing it over to another group of government which is buried courage. What -- we need to take some time to develop flu multi stakeholder governance program one that brings. Every one is impacted relies the government together. To provide Internet together -- to really figure out how to make decisions to keep I can't run and our no one's really done that this is really interesting place to test how that galactic war. Russia and China's middle uses months -- and have called in something called the year international telecommunications. Union. Too little lead that challenge that you open Internet. -- -- -- injury insurance icon gets transferred to that or I'd TU does the same thing. I think it's pretty unlikely. About a year and a half ago there was a lot of attention being paid what was going on at a conference with the rights human a lot of concern. About International Paper over the Internet and so that we've -- -- -- event with a little bit overblown but one of the things that we import about that was that was a collection of government. We're game together had very big part of the reason you saw the Department of Commerce say so explicitly that they were looking and it over to even a collection of government was to avoid the kind of controversies that we saw at the -- conference. And where and when you say of possibilities. Of giving it through user group that perplexed. The main parties on the Internet. Lets say one of those News Corp. Couldn't corporation. BR copper for Russia China North Korea whoever it may be. And threw it -- they exert some sort of damper on the Internet. I mean it's certainly possible and I think that's going to be one of the challenges that the the organizers need to to confront when they're figuring out how to at this. But I think it's important keep at all and perspective I mean China and Russia are already taking steps to impact the Internet especially in their own countries and so. I don't know that control -- right hand is. Did that the fulcrum on which form. Beauty issues term and again or dismiss these concerns. By. I don't know that our -- our country as people into the -- will prevent them were enabled them to really control what's happening on the. Do you see the possibility of that America -- can't set it up with the user group that they can trust in their reports keep control. It's certainly possible and I think if we'd be seeing that happen it will. The really important to consider how it impacts on the reference because if we can't figure out a way to set up. A governing structure for something like I can't which as you said is. Well it's critical it is these very kind of bureaucratic and not particularly controversial most of the time. Is that it great also the questions about our -- that a similar structure for more important questions facing the Internet. And so it is going to be a really interest being cast as to you what the future of Internet government. Different looks like and if there's a responsible way. Too broad and the number of people who were participating without really undermine it or handing it over. To two people or government or corporation to you don't have the interest the open Internet an -- There are introducing Michael thank you so much for the time -- good. Michael Weinberg vice president public knowledge. He said it's a nonpartisan. Group coast looking at these kind of issues. And trying to identify the real issues in the coming right back Garland profitably do we call that the thing.